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 Post subject: Antique Koshirae for Iai
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:27 am 
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Good morning all,

Were there Koshirae used solely for Iai & Batto pre Showa era?

I'd like to see examples of such Vintage & Antique Koshirae if they in fact existed.

Here's a couple of links to a possible example on Tsuruta san's Aoi Art website.

Koshirae Image link:

http://www.aoi-art.com/iai/image/05154koshirae.jpg

General Description link:

http://www.aoi-art.com/iai/05154.html

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Malcolm


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 Post subject: Re: Antique Koshirae for Iai
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:42 pm 
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Malcolm -
An interesting question. I believe Aoi is listing these swords for Iai since they are of a quality or have damage that makes them less desirable as collectibles. That being said at the NTHK in Tokyo we were once shown a sword and koshirae that were said to be the practice sword of the Emperor Meiji.

It looked very much like a gun-to koshirae and the blade we were told had no edge and no core. It was quite light but had strong "koshi" (lateral strength)

Were there practice swords prior to Meiji? I have to wonder, my feeling is that one used whatever sword you normally carried or a bokken. In fact there are those that argue iaido as practiced these days, uses a long sword because at some point in the Edo period it was decided that if only one sword were to be worn for practice it should be the long one. I can assure you the techniques work with a short sword just as well.

I suppose that if one were well-heeled enough to afford swords for work, swords for parties, swords for battle and swords for practice you might have some thing made just for that purpose. But the question would then be why practice with anything that is different from what you normally carry?

In short I don't believe there were swords just for Iai practice prior to 1868 and if there were they are few and far between or simply look like all other swords with nothing to identify them as "iai" swords.

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 Post subject: Re: Antique Koshirae for Iai
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:58 pm 
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Thank you Thomas,

In a sense to answer my own question, I suppose the different Koryu Bokuto we see today is perhaps where the answer lies.

Somewhere between Musashi's Oar of legend and the Tree branches of Jigen Ryu.

Thank you for your input, much appreciated.

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Malcolm


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