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 Post subject: hishigami question
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:04 pm 
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i've seen two types of hishigami since i became interested in japanese swords and i was wondering which one was mostly likely used in tsukamaki.

one of those are of pentagonal shape like this http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2580/584 ... 6b3bb2.jpg
and the other was triangular like on this site http://www.n-p-s.net/tsukamaki-1.htm

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-Étienne-


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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
 Post Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:03 am 
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Hamel san.

Pentagon is good to HineriMaki.
Triangle is good to TsamiMaki.
Both are a simple way.
This is the way of the amateur.
If this approach is somewhat tricky.
In the paper the sponge sandwich.
Thick cut paper.
Make a Japanese paper folding.

There are old HishiGami have folded Japanese paper.

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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
 Post Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:56 am 
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This is HISHIGAMI(菱紙) of the Owari design(尾張柄).
It is one HISHIGAMI(菱紙) in all about two triangles.
(一つの菱紙は、二つの三角形の和紙で形を作っている)
It will become Japanese paper(和紙:石州半紙) if one HISIGAMI(菱紙) is loosened.
(片側の菱紙をほぐしてみると、和紙を折って入れているのがわかります)


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Left-hand side Hishigami was extended.
the quantity of this about was contained.
These two quantity is parts for one of Hishi.
左側のHishigamiを広げてみた。
このぐらいの量が入っていた。
この2つの量がHishiの1つ分である。

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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
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thank you very much Iiyama-san very informative :)

i have another question regarding hishigami, is there a rule to determine how many hishigami you need on a tsuka?


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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
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Hamel san.

Since it changes in the state of Tsukasitaji, it cannot say.
Although based on the thickness of Japanese paper, it is the length for two of Hishi.
It breaks by width of the half of Sekisyu-Hanshi.
About 3 cm in length

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KENSEN


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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
 Post Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:27 pm 
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@ Kensen thxs for another valuable lesson :D Just wondering how you can fold/make the hishigami that are thin at one end and thick at the other end ?

Thxs,
Dave


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Dave san.

Please refer to it.

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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
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Dear Etienne

To find out how many hishigami you will use on a tsuka you will need to plan out the
tsuka. I determine how many diamonds openings there will be in my planning.

For a katana often there will be about 15 diamonds. And you will use 4 hishigami for
each of the diamond or about 60 for the tsuka.

But the ones for the menuki might/will be different.

Not sure if this help.

Good luck

later
david mcdonald jswords@mcn.net


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thank you very much Iiyama-san very informative :)

i have another question regarding hishigami, is there a rule to determine how many hishigami you need on a tsuka?


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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
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DMcDonald san

菱紙(HISHIGAMI) is no particular amount of criteria.
When there was little paper, 柄糸 (TSUKAITO) is pulled, Hishi loses this shape.
The quantity of paper is adjusted also with the state of 鮫皮(SAMEGAWA).

Amount of the 菱紙(HISHIGAMI) of 1-HISHI. : about 15cm X 2cm
It is different by the thickness of paper.
Please fold paper and make it a triangular form.

Your technique and my technique is different.
I think that the same technique is impossible.

Thank you.
KENSEN


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 Post subject: Re: hishigami question
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Thxs Kensen !


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