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 Post subject: Notch for end knots?
 Post Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:55 am 
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Greetings,

I haven't been able to find much information regarding the notches that are sometimes carved into the core of the tsuka to accommodate the end knots.
is there an exact placement or size or shape for these notches? what are they called?
I have used these on a few Tsuka and I find that they are helpful in finishing the knots as well as allowing the knots to sit lower so they don't protrude as much.

I have recently purchased the new book by Thomas L. Buck on Tsukamaki and there is no mention of this procedure. does anyone here know anything about these?

Thank you in advance for any info.

-Josh

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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
 Post Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:56 am 
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Josh -
You are asking about Tome-shita (tsuki-gata) and Semi-gata which are parts of the tsuka-shitaji. I would explore the previous posts in this particular forum and then maybe post your question with a photo or two. If we are lucky Kensen (Iiyama-san) or one of the other artisans here will help you find your answers.
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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
 Post Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Dear Josh

The notches cut into the wood core by the kashira are there to reduce the height of
the knots.

On the omote side the notch will be around 14 mm long for a katana and
on the ura around 21 mm long.

The depth depends on the fittings and style of tsuka being made.

just my thoughts from the ones I have seen.

later
david mcdonald

Greetings,

I haven't been able to find much information regarding the notches that are sometimes carved into the core of the tsuka to accommodate the end knots.
is there an exact placement or size or shape for these notches? what are they called?
I have used these on a few Tsuka and I find that they are helpful in finishing the knots as well as allowing the knots to sit lower so they don't protrude as much.

I have recently purchased the new book by Thomas L. Buck on Tsukamaki and there is no mention of this procedure. does anyone here know anything about these?

Thank you in advance for any info.

-Josh


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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
 Post Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:16 am 
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Josh san.

Please look up photos.

That right end is the Higo design.
The 2nd is Owari (Yagyu) from the left.
A left end is SHITAJI of MAETARE-KISE.
Stuck KYOUGI is a willow.
All the pictures are old SHITAJI's.

Please refer to this picture.
Please make TSUKA-SHITAJI.

Thank you.

KENSEN


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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
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Josh san.

No.2 photos.


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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
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Josh san.

No.3 photos.

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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:31 am 
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Kensen san, these pictures are wonderful thank you. thank you Tomas and David, that is exactly what I wanted to know. I have used them but I wasn't sure what they were called or if there might have been a secondary purpose.

Thank you again,

-Josh

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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
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Good morning all

Thank you Kensen san for sharing your knowledge.

If we refer to image "Shitaji 2 jpg" and note the crescent indentations on the 1st and second from the right, this reminds me of tanto tsuka that I have seen which are laquered and not wrapped.

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/17945/lot/314/

See the tsuka on the left hand koshirae (Use the zoom facility by clicking on the image)

Does this crescent indentation have another purpose?

Cheers

Malcolm


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 Post subject: Re: Notch for end knots?
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Malcolm san.

It is my idea.

Tanto Koshirae of preference will be coordinated.
It is liking of it.
Tsukigata is your choice.


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