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 Post subject: Mon on Tsuba.
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:57 pm 
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Greetings,
I was wondering if anyone recognized the family mon on this tsuba and can maybe point me in a direction for some research.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/xxlotus8xx ... 3719267187

There is a matching mon on the fuchi also.

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 Post subject: Re: Mon on Tsuba.
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Kikyo kamon; can't tell for sure the family though.

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 Post subject: Re: Mon on Tsuba.
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Lorenzo wrote:
Kikyo kamon; can't tell for sure the family though.

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Mitsuhide perhaps?
http://www.asgy.co.jp/anglais/classify/ ... tml#kikyou
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akechi_Mitsuhide

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 Post subject: Re: Mon on Tsuba.
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The problem with such a common mon is that was probably used by many families and subfamilies so I fear you will never be sure about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Mon on Tsuba.
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Lorenzo wrote:
The problem with such a common mon is that was probably used by many families and subfamilies so I fear you will never be sure about it.


True..Kind of like the Scottish clans and tartans I gather.

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Tartans are easy compared to Japanese Mon...
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 Post subject: Re: Mon on Tsuba.
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Toryu wrote:
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I would think that Japanese family lineage is as well documented, if not better than Scottish clan lineage. Perhaps there are much better websites on the subject in Japanese. But alas I can't read Kanji...

-=Ray (sept of Highland Brown's) Allen=-

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 Post subject: Re: Mon on Tsuba.
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Well documented yes but, you must keep in mind how it works;

1. as a son I inherit the mon of my father, my house if you will
2. as a retainer i wear the mon of my lord, my clan if you will
3. if my wife comes from an important family then my sons also get to use her mon
4. to distinguish my house from my cousins I may adopt a mon of slightly different design

Therefore unless the mon you are looking at is very unique you need a piece with two or more mon on it to say with any real certainty which family it actually came from. Add to that the fact that families from very different parts of the country could adopt the same mon and use it for generations and it becomes almost impossible to make an attribution from a single object with a single mon...

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 Post subject: Re: Mon on Tsuba.
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Excellent clarification Tom.
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